Comments on: Making your vote count http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/12/making-your-vote-count.html Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:48:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alun Jones http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/12/making-your-vote-count.html/comment-page-1#comment-2743 Alun Jones Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:11:26 +0000 http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/?p=2551#comment-2743 Surely the argument about whether or not something should be in a manifesto is a reasonable one to have - the manifesto is a list of which things a party promises it is able to do if it gets into power. Nick Clegg, rightly or wrongly, speculated that the Lib Dems might not be able to honestly promise to the public that they could afford to scrap it. Pliad put retention of the Assembly Learning Grant into their manifesto and then failed to deliver it. That's why its a broken promise. Clegg was being honest, Plaid Cymru have failed to deliver on a commitment - one of their top 7 in fact. Surely the argument about whether or not something should be in a manifesto is a reasonable one to have – the manifesto is a list of which things a party promises it is able to do if it gets into power. Nick Clegg, rightly or wrongly, speculated that the Lib Dems might not be able to honestly promise to the public that they could afford to scrap it.

Pliad put retention of the Assembly Learning Grant into their manifesto and then failed to deliver it. That’s why its a broken promise. Clegg was being honest, Plaid Cymru have failed to deliver on a commitment – one of their top 7 in fact.

]]> By: Peter Black http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/12/making-your-vote-count.html/comment-page-1#comment-2742 Peter Black Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:58:37 +0000 http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/?p=2551#comment-2742 Yes it is a different thing. As I have said if we go into government opposed to fees then we will stick to our guns and that is currently our policy. Plaid Cymru let down their supporters and thousands of students with their u-turn. The Westminster leadership are working with our Policy Committee to ensure that whatever is in our manifesto is deliverable. Shame Plaid could not do the same. Until anything changes we remain opposed to tuition fees. You see policy is made by our members not Nick Clegg. As for your nonsense about our Welsh leadership well you should stop believing your own propaganda. The issue is devolved so whatever we put in our Welsh manifesto we will deliver. Nobody outiside Wales has any say on that including Nick Clegg. You will also find that it was Vince Cable who apologised to Wales over St. Athan not the other way around. He also agreed to look at the issue again. I think that speaks volumes for the effectiveness of our Welsh leadership. Yes it is a different thing. As I have said if we go into government opposed to fees then we will stick to our guns and that is currently our policy. Plaid Cymru let down their supporters and thousands of students with their u-turn.

The Westminster leadership are working with our Policy Committee to ensure that whatever is in our manifesto is deliverable. Shame Plaid could not do the same. Until anything changes we remain opposed to tuition fees. You see policy is made by our members not Nick Clegg.

As for your nonsense about our Welsh leadership well you should stop believing your own propaganda. The issue is devolved so whatever we put in our Welsh manifesto we will deliver. Nobody outiside Wales has any say on that including Nick Clegg.

You will also find that it was Vince Cable who apologised to Wales over St. Athan not the other way around. He also agreed to look at the issue again. I think that speaks volumes for the effectiveness of our Welsh leadership.

]]> By: Saethwyr http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/12/making-your-vote-count.html/comment-page-1#comment-2741 Saethwyr Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:30:41 +0000 http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/?p=2551#comment-2741 Remaining opposed to tuition fees and still having to scrap the pledge in government is an entirely different thing. As you Liberal Democrats were so eager to remind Plaid not too long ago. And your Westminster leadership is on record as stating that they wont be able to deliver the pledge in government. I take your point about your Welsh leadership taking a different line, but that has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Especially after the way your Welsh leadership was completely ignored and stamped all over by the London big wigs around the time of your annual conference. Remaining opposed to tuition fees and still having to scrap the pledge in government is an entirely different thing. As you Liberal Democrats were so eager to remind Plaid not too long ago.

And your Westminster leadership is on record as stating that they wont be able to deliver the pledge in government. I take your point about your Welsh leadership taking a different line, but that has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Especially after the way your Welsh leadership was completely ignored and stamped all over by the London big wigs around the time of your annual conference.

]]> By: Peter Black http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/12/making-your-vote-count.html/comment-page-1#comment-2740 Peter Black Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:43:21 +0000 http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/?p=2551#comment-2740 No our leadership remain opposed to Tuition Fees, our party policy is that we will abolish tution fees and in any case we decide what we do in Wales on this, not the Westminster leadership. No our leadership remain opposed to Tuition Fees, our party policy is that we will abolish tution fees and in any case we decide what we do in Wales on this, not the Westminster leadership.

]]> By: Saethwyr http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/12/making-your-vote-count.html/comment-page-1#comment-2739 Saethwyr Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:26:52 +0000 http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/?p=2551#comment-2739 You say this although your leadership has openly said that they want to abandon the pledges on tuition fees? You say this although your leadership has openly said that they want to abandon the pledges on tuition fees?

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