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		<title>By: Ian Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that anyone is genuinely naive enough to think that scrapping Trident is some kind of panacea. Chris Franks was making a political point about the Tories wasting money that could be better spent elsewhere.

On-topic, the Plaid Cymru policy on pensions costs £20bn p.a. when fully implemented.

Lib Dem tax policy costs £16.5bn p.a.

I&#039;m not for a minute suggesting that £3.5bn is loose change down the back of the sofa, but the difference between the two policies is 0.5% of current UK Govt expenditure.

Trident should be scrapped but much of the money would surely come from the same &#039;money tree&#039; as the Lib Dems policy - closing tax loopholes on higher rate income tax pension relief and levelling up CGT with income tax etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that anyone is genuinely naive enough to think that scrapping Trident is some kind of panacea. Chris Franks was making a political point about the Tories wasting money that could be better spent elsewhere.</p>
<p>On-topic, the Plaid Cymru policy on pensions costs £20bn p.a. when fully implemented.</p>
<p>Lib Dem tax policy costs £16.5bn p.a.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not for a minute suggesting that £3.5bn is loose change down the back of the sofa, but the difference between the two policies is 0.5% of current UK Govt expenditure.</p>
<p>Trident should be scrapped but much of the money would surely come from the same &#8216;money tree&#8217; as the Lib Dems policy &#8211; closing tax loopholes on higher rate income tax pension relief and levelling up CGT with income tax etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gethin</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2010/01/pointless-plaid.html/comment-page-1#comment-3161</link>
		<dc:creator>Gethin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone appears to be ignoring the fact that scrapping Trident is a one-off income stream, whereas increasing the pension involves a continual investment, so the scrap-trident-to-pay-for-pensions scheme is entirely unsustainable.

Knowing the difference between current and capital spend is really very, very basic accounting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone appears to be ignoring the fact that scrapping Trident is a one-off income stream, whereas increasing the pension involves a continual investment, so the scrap-trident-to-pay-for-pensions scheme is entirely unsustainable.</p>
<p>Knowing the difference between current and capital spend is really very, very basic accounting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Townsend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Townsend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter was pointing out that the way they proposed to pay for it made no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter was pointing out that the way they proposed to pay for it made no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: DAH</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2010/01/pointless-plaid.html/comment-page-1#comment-3144</link>
		<dc:creator>DAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you agree with Plaid that trident should be scrapped, and you agree that the lot of pensioners should be improved - you are just peeved that Plaid got publicity for suggesting these things first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you agree with Plaid that trident should be scrapped, and you agree that the lot of pensioners should be improved &#8211; you are just peeved that Plaid got publicity for suggesting these things first?</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Goldsworthy</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2010/01/pointless-plaid.html/comment-page-1#comment-3142</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali Goldsworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert

You keep commenting on articles here and saying that they are making you thinking of voting BNP. There is little else to them. I can tell you right now I think voting BNP isn&#039;t any kind of protest vote. If you have lost faith in all politicians spoil your ballot paper. Don&#039;t vote BNP - you can bet your bottom dollar they will see it as an endorsement of all their odious views. 

If you are a genuine commenter please carry on contributing. It may be just coincidence but it has a whiff of the BNP pretending they are appealing to floating voters by planting comments. I really hope that isn&#039;t the case - expanding your comments to those based on opinion and evidence as to why you have reached the views you have would mean that sneaking suspicion went away. It would also lead to a far better debate here. 

Many Thanks

Ali</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert</p>
<p>You keep commenting on articles here and saying that they are making you thinking of voting BNP. There is little else to them. I can tell you right now I think voting BNP isn&#8217;t any kind of protest vote. If you have lost faith in all politicians spoil your ballot paper. Don&#8217;t vote BNP &#8211; you can bet your bottom dollar they will see it as an endorsement of all their odious views. </p>
<p>If you are a genuine commenter please carry on contributing. It may be just coincidence but it has a whiff of the BNP pretending they are appealing to floating voters by planting comments. I really hope that isn&#8217;t the case &#8211; expanding your comments to those based on opinion and evidence as to why you have reached the views you have would mean that sneaking suspicion went away. It would also lead to a far better debate here. </p>
<p>Many Thanks</p>
<p>Ali</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the poor stay poor and the rich get richer, no wonder people like me sit at home, or better still vote BNP to waste a vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the poor stay poor and the rich get richer, no wonder people like me sit at home, or better still vote BNP to waste a vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No DAH, we would most probably scrap Trident too. What we are saying is that Plaid&#039;s figues do not add up, that their plans are not affordable no matter how desirable but that there are other things that can be done to help pensioners. For example Welsh Liberal Democrats would combine our plans to uprate the basic state pension in line with earnings, with a national programme of home insulation, reducing fuel bills for the poorest pensioners. That has been costed.

Mark, what running costs are you talking about. You will still have submarines and armed forces. Admit it your figures do not add up even if you overlook the fact that you are trying to spend the same money twice on different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No DAH, we would most probably scrap Trident too. What we are saying is that Plaid&#8217;s figues do not add up, that their plans are not affordable no matter how desirable but that there are other things that can be done to help pensioners. For example Welsh Liberal Democrats would combine our plans to uprate the basic state pension in line with earnings, with a national programme of home insulation, reducing fuel bills for the poorest pensioners. That has been costed.</p>
<p>Mark, what running costs are you talking about. You will still have submarines and armed forces. Admit it your figures do not add up even if you overlook the fact that you are trying to spend the same money twice on different things.</p>
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		<title>By: DAH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what you&#039;re saying is that that the Liberal Democrats think that giving older people a living pension is a bizarre aspiration to have, and that your party prefers spending billions on weapons of mass destruction rather than on using that money to help vulnerable older people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you&#8217;re saying is that that the Liberal Democrats think that giving older people a living pension is a bizarre aspiration to have, and that your party prefers spending billions on weapons of mass destruction rather than on using that money to help vulnerable older people.</p>
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		<title>By: cymrumark</title>
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		<dc:creator>cymrumark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The running costs  of Trident would be put towards the costs of the pension increase. Add in the unclaimed pension credits etc and you are well on the way to funding the pension increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The running costs  of Trident would be put towards the costs of the pension increase. Add in the unclaimed pension credits etc and you are well on the way to funding the pension increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Gethin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gethin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How on earth would an independent Wales scrap trident  - which would then be an &quot;English&quot; military matter - to invest in anything, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How on earth would an independent Wales scrap trident  &#8211; which would then be an &#8220;English&#8221; military matter &#8211; to invest in anything, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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